Tango - SOLWorld2024-03-28T23:14:21Zhttp://solworld.org/forum/topics/tango-1?groupUrl=homoludens&commentId=2102269%3AComment%3A15808&groupId=2102269%3AGroup%3A12102&feed=yes&xn_auth=noTango is for me a Flow. Like…tag:solworld.org,2009-05-23:2102269:Comment:158692009-05-23T11:02:46.957ZMarco Materahttp://solworld.org/profile/MarcoMatera
Tango is for me a Flow. Like Paolo I too have tried to dance. The first time was so difficult follow the rules. The teacher show us the single movement, we tried alone and then we mixed alone and with partner.<br />
We was student and it was difficult for me: we followed our brain.<br />
Then, at the end, we just wanted to have fun and everything has become easier.<br />
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We have not totally accepted the rules but we Welcome music and we started to flow with her.<br />
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Argentine tango is for me a little more magic of…
Tango is for me a Flow. Like Paolo I too have tried to dance. The first time was so difficult follow the rules. The teacher show us the single movement, we tried alone and then we mixed alone and with partner.<br />
We was student and it was difficult for me: we followed our brain.<br />
Then, at the end, we just wanted to have fun and everything has become easier.<br />
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We have not totally accepted the rules but we Welcome music and we started to flow with her.<br />
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Argentine tango is for me a little more magic of salsa dancing and other social dance, perhaps for the music perhaps because it is more based on improvisation.<br />
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The Argentine tango has a sensuality to the look (glance), the gesture and the movement and communication has become in itself all the ingredients for a deep relationship.<br />
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It's Elegance and passion. Flow, freedom, confidence, Trust, improvisation.<br />
But above all it's sensuality as an expression and using all the senses: touch, smell, hearing, sight, and taste for the flavour (taste) that the beauty of the gestures and communicate in depth gives.<br />
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If we look at Tango as metaphor I can see in it the Essence of Accogliere (Welcoming by Heart) that it’s different from accept ; when we open ourselves to this dimension in this space then becomes easy to flow, let go, surrender, ending with the discovery a new confidence, a new Trust. Here we become creative.<br />
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I deeply agree with Lina about in-between. Riccardo and I wrote an article about it.<br />
you can find in<br />
<a href="http://www.sfa-bm.eu">http://www.sfa-bm.eu</a> download area<br />
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some beautiful viedo:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBXckflFSDs">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBXckflFSDs</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi1dprxgEz8&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi1dprxgEz8&feature=related</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQe8epaEjpM&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQe8epaEjpM&feature=related</a><br />
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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXhQNRsH3uc&feature=related">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXhQNRsH3uc&feature=related</a> Hans-Peter, a couple of books…tag:solworld.org,2009-05-23:2102269:Comment:158612009-05-23T10:22:47.117ZLina Skantzehttp://solworld.org/profile/LinaSkantze
Hans-Peter, a couple of books on the same subject has been published in Sweden in the last few years. Interesting to be able to share other perspectives and a great way to solve any "black and white" points of view.<br />
Paolo, I love the way you describe your experience! The true interaction is really co-created, and then it is ambiguous who leads whom. It is not one or the other, but rather something new that emerges in the "in-between".
Hans-Peter, a couple of books on the same subject has been published in Sweden in the last few years. Interesting to be able to share other perspectives and a great way to solve any "black and white" points of view.<br />
Paolo, I love the way you describe your experience! The true interaction is really co-created, and then it is ambiguous who leads whom. It is not one or the other, but rather something new that emerges in the "in-between". To learn more about powerful…tag:solworld.org,2009-05-23:2102269:Comment:158502009-05-23T09:55:08.251ZHans-Peter Kornhttp://solworld.org/profile/HansPeterKorn
To learn more about powerful and empowering women in cultures which - seen from outside - are very patriarchical I appreciate this (German) book:<b><br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.de/Ihr-wi%C3%9Ft-nichts-%C3%BCber-uns/dp/3451030128/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243072245&sr=8-1">"Ihr wißt nichts über uns!"</a>: Meine Reisen durch einen unbekannten Islam von Charlotte Wiedemann</b>
To learn more about powerful and empowering women in cultures which - seen from outside - are very patriarchical I appreciate this (German) book:<b><br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.de/Ihr-wi%C3%9Ft-nichts-%C3%BCber-uns/dp/3451030128/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1243072245&sr=8-1">"Ihr wißt nichts über uns!"</a>: Meine Reisen durch einen unbekannten Islam von Charlotte Wiedemann</b> I totally agree with Hans-Pet…tag:solworld.org,2009-05-22:2102269:Comment:158232009-05-22T20:31:07.934ZPaolo Ternihttp://solworld.org/profile/PaoloTerni
I totally agree with Hans-Peter!<br />
That is a great metaphor.<br />
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I tried tango for one year.<br />
The man needs to lead. And that is difficult, to begin with.<br />
But he needs to lead by sensing where the woman is and what movements she is ready to do. You need to be very sensitive, feeling the tension of the woman's body. So the dancing steps the man can create are constrained by the woman, she is "empowering" the man... and some point, I would not know who is leading whom!! :)
I totally agree with Hans-Peter!<br />
That is a great metaphor.<br />
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I tried tango for one year.<br />
The man needs to lead. And that is difficult, to begin with.<br />
But he needs to lead by sensing where the woman is and what movements she is ready to do. You need to be very sensitive, feeling the tension of the woman's body. So the dancing steps the man can create are constrained by the woman, she is "empowering" the man... and some point, I would not know who is leading whom!! :) God knows what is politically…tag:solworld.org,2009-05-22:2102269:Comment:158192009-05-22T19:41:47.518ZLina Skantzehttp://solworld.org/profile/LinaSkantze
God knows what is politically correct! Or perhaps not? ;-)<br />
Your suggested interpretation of the Tango metaphor is great, anyway!
God knows what is politically correct! Or perhaps not? ;-)<br />
Your suggested interpretation of the Tango metaphor is great, anyway! Interesting association with…tag:solworld.org,2009-05-22:2102269:Comment:158162009-05-22T19:32:12.099ZHans-Peter Kornhttp://solworld.org/profile/HansPeterKorn
Interesting association with SF, indeed...<br />
Following this metaphor and seeing the SF-coach as the dancing lady following the client which is the dancing man: The dancing lady (= the coach) enables and empowers the dancing and invites the dancing man (= the client) to create the dancing steps (= finding his solutions).<br />
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I hope, my reply is "political correct"....<br />
Cheers<br />
Hans-Peter
Interesting association with SF, indeed...<br />
Following this metaphor and seeing the SF-coach as the dancing lady following the client which is the dancing man: The dancing lady (= the coach) enables and empowers the dancing and invites the dancing man (= the client) to create the dancing steps (= finding his solutions).<br />
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I hope, my reply is "political correct"....<br />
Cheers<br />
Hans-Peter Hi Sue, that's exactly it! I…tag:solworld.org,2009-05-22:2102269:Comment:158142009-05-22T18:46:52.953ZLina Skantzehttp://solworld.org/profile/LinaSkantze
Hi Sue, that's exactly it! I did salsa as well a couple of times. A challenge for any one struggling to be independent. Then of course, there is no such thing…
Hi Sue, that's exactly it! I did salsa as well a couple of times. A challenge for any one struggling to be independent. Then of course, there is no such thing… I have never learned the Tang…tag:solworld.org,2009-05-22:2102269:Comment:158082009-05-22T17:58:20.652ZSue Lickorishhttp://solworld.org/profile/SueLickorish
I have never learned the Tango, but I used to go to Salsa lessons. For me, the biggest challenge (and for many women!) with this kind of social dance is learning to let go and follow. In Salsa (like most social dances) the man leads, and ladies have to be very good at responding. There's only so much you can learn with the brain, you have to relax, let your body follow your partner's body, be open to the unexpected, be comfortable with not knowing what's coming next, etc.... so many parallels…
I have never learned the Tango, but I used to go to Salsa lessons. For me, the biggest challenge (and for many women!) with this kind of social dance is learning to let go and follow. In Salsa (like most social dances) the man leads, and ladies have to be very good at responding. There's only so much you can learn with the brain, you have to relax, let your body follow your partner's body, be open to the unexpected, be comfortable with not knowing what's coming next, etc.... so many parallels with SF!<br />
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Big hugs<br />
Sue Lina, I saw your tango questi…tag:solworld.org,2009-05-19:2102269:Comment:148182009-05-19T11:10:42.802ZYvonne van Ierselhttp://solworld.org/profile/YvonnevanIersel
Lina, I saw your tango question.<br />
As a very enthousiastic tango dancer and trainer I give tango workshops related to themes as connecting, making contact, leading, following the leader, working together etc. And allways using Piazolla as an inspiration..<br />
Some time ago we gave a workshop to SF therapists, exploring themes as: making contact, resources you use while making contact, and leading from one step behind. And I think there would be more connections one could make with SFwork."Tangoing"…
Lina, I saw your tango question.<br />
As a very enthousiastic tango dancer and trainer I give tango workshops related to themes as connecting, making contact, leading, following the leader, working together etc. And allways using Piazolla as an inspiration..<br />
Some time ago we gave a workshop to SF therapists, exploring themes as: making contact, resources you use while making contact, and leading from one step behind. And I think there would be more connections one could make with SFwork."Tangoing" is a wonderfull way to explore these themes. And a relief in for instance a conference, where is such abundant talking. And sitting.<br />
I would love to do such a workshop on the next sol congress! Join me?<br />
And Bert, yes I'm interested in your dancing with your boss, dutch is fine!<br />
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Hartelijke groet Yvonne van Iersel Hi Bert, sounds like fun! If…tag:solworld.org,2009-02-23:2102269:Comment:124212009-02-23T09:55:33.098ZLina Skantzehttp://solworld.org/profile/LinaSkantze
Hi Bert, sounds like fun! If you find the time to translate to english I would love to read more about it.<br />
Warm regards,<br />
Lina
Hi Bert, sounds like fun! If you find the time to translate to english I would love to read more about it.<br />
Warm regards,<br />
Lina